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Not all 357 SIG Brass Is Created Equal

 

Disclaimer: The following information is what works for me. I am not responsible for your actions. Always refer to factory firearms instructions and precautions, refer to official reloading manuals when reloading, and especially be aware of Local, State, and Federal Firearms Laws. Use your common sense. You are responsible for your own actions!

I measured the dimensions of different brands of once fired 357 Sig brass, reloaded with the only changing variable being different brass brands, and measured the velocities. I loaded all six brands at the same sitting. I did not have any once fired Starline brass, although I decided to measure and test brand new Starline brass as a proof point as well. I tried my best to keep the taper crimp on each brass type at right around .378, with the same light crimp mark on the bullet.

Velocity Chart

 AA#9; Minimum 11.7 grains; Winchester primers; Glock 31 (4.5” barrel) 

Brass Brand

High Vel.

Low Vel.

Spread

Average

Std. Dev.

Starline

1142

1106

36

1130

14

Winchester

1187

1134

53

1164

25

FC

1115

1090

25

1108

10

Speer

1068

1018

50

1051

19

RP

1093

1062

31

1074

11

Hornady

1043

958

85

1010

37

Look at velocity differences between the brands. Remember, the only significant change was using different brass. Let’s take a look at the various brass dimensions to try and figure out why there are such huge velocity differences.

 Brass Dimensions Chart

Brass Brand

Brass

Weight

Pressure Ring after resizing

Shoulder

Neck Length

Neck Thickness

Case Length before Resizing (average)

Case Length after Resizing (average)

SAAMI

Standard

---

.424

.6820

.15

---

---

Max: .865

Min: .851

Starline

New brass

69.1

NA

New at .420

.6820

.14

.012 - .013

.858

.858

Starline

After several firings (old)

69.4

.4245 - .425

.6900

.14

.012 - .013

.852

.857

Winchester

Once fired

69.0

.424 - .425

.6900

.14

.0115 - .012

.851

.856

FC

Once fired

65.3

.424

.6900

.14

.011 - .0125

.858

.863

Speer

Once fired

64.4

.424 - .426

.6900

.14

.0115 - .013

.854

.858

RP

Once fired

63.8

.424

.6900

.14

.011 - .012

.858

.861

Hornady

Once fired

60.8

.4245 - .425

.6900

.14

.011 - .0115

.852

.856

 Notice the wide range of brass weights.

 Notice that the new Starline brass had a perfect SAAMI shoulder measurement of .6820. After brass is fired, it becomes .6900.

 Notice that the SAAMI neck length is .15 while I measured .14 for the new and fired brass. Now this could be my fault, because obviously SAAMI thinks it is .15.

 Notice the pressure ring (the widest part of the brass) between the SAAMI standard, the new brass, and the fired brass.

 Notice that FC and RP brass is very close to needing trimming. I would have to measure every brass to make sure it did not need trimming.

 Notice the neck thickness. Now I had a heck of a time measuring the neck with my digital caliper. So I’m sure my measurements are not perfect. Nevertheless, it should give you a rough idea.

 So why was Hornady so slow? Why were Starline and Winchester faster? Well, for one thing, Hornady only weighs 60.8 while Starline and Winchester weighed in at 69.1 and 69.0 respectively. Another interesting point is that the neck thickness for Hornady was thinner than Starline and Winchester. I suppose that Hornady brass could have more space inside the brass, along with a thinner neck, to create a lower pressure for the bullet, which would cause a slower velocity.

 So what caused the difference between Speer and RP? Their weight and neck thickness is kind of similar, although the RP brass is longer. Or, maybe the larger pressure ring in the Speer brass caused less pressure build up? Here's a pointer to a White Paper with some good detail of Speer 357 Sig ammo changes, including brass changes: http://Speer Brass White Paper Report

Is heavier brass better than lighter brass? Maybe not if the light brass has been tempered and treated for strength. Although in the case of Hornday brass, it appears to have the widest velocity spread and the highest standard deviation. It also has the worst bullet setback rating in general.Starline and Winchester brass generally look excellent all the way around. They both used beefed up brass with decent neck support. The over all length is not too long so you don't have to worry about trimming. And they both produce good velocities. Heck, Starline brass is made for reloaders and that's why it holds up so well after several firings.

 Bullet Setback Chart

 I then did a bullet setback test with each brand using a standard West Coast 124 grain flat point plated bullet and also a test with a light cannelure groove on a bullet. I personally believe the cannelure groove is the fix for having a short neck. Factories can use a cannelure groove or some kind of sealant/glue for the same purpose.  Note: For tests 1 through 5, I used 45 lb of pressure on a weighing scale. The final test was to apply pressure until the bullet collapsed into the case. 

Brass Brand

Original Length

1st Test

2nd Test

3rd Test

4th Test

5 Test

Total Bullet Setback

Lbs. to force bullet into case

New Starline

Plain bullet

1.1295

1.129

1.1285

1.1285

1.1185

1.1285

.001

85

New Starline

Cannelure grv.

1.1285

1.1285

1.128

1.1285

1.1285

1.128

.00005

95

Old Starline

Plain bullet

1.1265

1.1265

1.125

1.125

1.125

1.125

.0015

65

Old Starline

Cannelure grv.

1.130

1.129

1.129

1.129

1.129

1.129

.001

85

Winchester

Plain bullet

1.133

1.131

1.131

1.1305

1.1305

1.1305

.0025

75

Winchester

Cannelure grv.

1.1305

1.1305

1.1305

1.1305

1.1305

1.1305

0

95

FC

Plain bullet

1.1295

1.129

1.1285

1,1275

1.127

1.127

.0025

65

FC

Cannelure grv.

1.130

1.130

1.130

1.130

1.130

1.1295

.0005

95

Speer

Plain bullet

1.130

1.130

1.130

1.130

1.130

1.130

0

65

Speer

Cannelure grv.

1.129

1.129

1.129

1.129

1.129

1.129

0

90

RP

Plain bullet

1.1295

1.1265

1.1245

1.124

1.123

1.1225

.007

55

RP

Cannelure grv.